Obama Science Czar John Holdren is directly involved in CRU’s unfolding Climategate scandal. In fact, according to files released by a CEU hacker or whistleblower, Holdren is involved in what Canada Free Press (CFP) columnist Canadian climatologist Dr. Tim Ball terms “a truculent and nasty manner that provides a brief demonstration of his lack of understanding, commitment on faith and willingness to ridicule and bully people”.

“The files contain so much material that it is going to take some time t o put it all in context,” says Ball. “However, enough is already known to underscore their explosive nature. It is already clear the entire claims and positions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) are based on falsified manipulated material and is therefore completely compromised.

“The fallout will be extensive as material continues to emerge.
Reputations of the scientists involved are already destroyed, however fringe players will continue to be identified and their reputations destroyed or sullied.”

While the mainstream media is bending into pretzels to keep the scandal under the rug, Climategate is already the biggest scientific scandal in history because of the global policy implications.

A throwback to the intro of the television series Dragnet, “Ladies and Gentlemen: “The story you are about to hear is true, only the names have been changed to protect the innocent”, the innocent in Climategate have already been thrown to the ravening wolves.

“There is a multitude of small but frightening stories in the massive files,” Ball writes. “For example I’ve known solar physicists Sallie Baliunas and Willie Soon for a long time. I’ve published articles with Willie and enjoyed extensive communication. I was on advisory committees with them when Sallie suddenly and politely withdrew from the fray. I don’t know if the following events were contributing factors but it is likely.

“Baliunas and Soon were authors of excellent work confirming the existence of the Medieval Warm Period (MWP) from a multitude of sources. Their work challenged attempts to get rid of the MWP because it contradicted the claim by the proponents of anthropogenic global warming (AGW). Several scientists challenged the claim that the latter part of the 20th century was the warmest ever. They knew the claim was false, many warmer periods occurred in the past. Michael Mann ‘got rid’ of the MWP with his production of the hockey stick, but Soon and Baliunas were problematic. What better than have a powerful academic destroy their credibility for you? Sadly, there are always people who will do the dirty work.”

Indeed, Holdren’s emails show how sincere scientists would be made into raw “entertainment”.
How the deed was done

“A perfect person and opportunity appeared. On 16th October 2003 Michael Mann, infamous for his lead in the ‘hockey stick’ that dominated the 2001 IPCC Report, sent an email to people involved in the CRU scandal; “

Dear All,

Thought you would be interested in this exchange, which John Holdren of Harvard has been kind enough to pass along…” At the time Holdren was Teresa and John Heinz Professor of Environmental Policy & Director, Program in Science, Technology, & Public Policy, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, John F. Kennedy School of Government. (Editor’s Note: He is now Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology—informally known as the United States Science Czar. )

““In an email on October16, 2003 from John Holdren to Michael Mann and Tom Wigley we are told:

”“I’m forwarding for your entertainment an exchange that followed from my being quoted in the Harvard Crimson to the effect that you and your colleagues are right and my “Harvard” colleagues Soon and Baliunas are wrong about what the evidence shows concerning surface temperatures over the past millennium. The cover note to faculty and postdocs in a regular Wednesday breakfast discussion group on environmental science and public policy in Harvard’s Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences is more or less self-explanatory.”

The Wednesday Breakfast Group

“This is what Holdren sent to the Wednesday Breakfast group.

“I append here an e-mail correspondence I have engaged in over the past few days trying to educate a Soon/Baliunas supporter who originally wrote to me asking how I could think that Soon and Baliunas are wrong and Mann et al. are right (a view attributed to me, correctly, in the Harvard Crimson). This individual apparently runs a web site on which he had been touting the Soon/Baliunas position.”

“The exchange Holdren refers to is a challenge by Nick Schulz editor of Tech Central Station (TCS). On August 9, 2003 Schulz wrote;

“In a recent Crimson story on the work of Soon and Baliunas, who have written for my website [1 techcentralstation.com, you are quoted as saying: My impression is that the critics are right. It s unfortunate that so much attention is paid to a flawed analysis, but that’s what happens when something happens to support the political climate in Washington. Do you feel the same way about the work of Mann et. al.? If not why not?”

“Holdren provides lengthy responses on October 13, 14, and 16 but comments fail to answer Schulz’s questions. After the first response Schulz replies, “I guess my problem concerns what lawyers call the burden of proof. The burden weighs heavily, much more heavily, given the claims on Mann et.al. than it does on Soon/Baliunas. Would you agree?” Of course, Holdren doesn’t agree. He replies, “But, in practice, burden of proof is an evolving thing-it evolves as the amount of evidence relevant to a particular proposition grows.” No it doesn’t evolve; it is either on one side or the other. This argument is in line with what has happened with AGW. He then demonstrates his lack of understanding of science and climate science by opting for Mann and his hockey stick over Soon and Baliunas. His entire defense and position devolves to a political position. His attempt to belittle Soon and Baliunas in front of colleagues is a measure of the man’s blindness and political opportunism that pervades everything he says or does.

“Schulz provides a solid summary when he writes, “I’ll close by saying I’m willing to admit that, as someone lacking a PhD, I could be punching above my weight. But I will ask you a different but related question. How much hope is there for reaching reasonable public policy decisions that affect the lives of millions if the science upon which those decisions must be made is said to be by definition beyond the reach of those people?”

“We now know it was deliberately placed beyond the reach of the people by the group that he used to ridicule Soon and Baliunas. Holdren was blinded by his political views, which as his record shows are frightening. One web site synthesizes his position on over-population as follows, “Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A “Planetary Regime” with the power of life and death over American citizens.”

“Holdren has a long history of seeking total government control. He was involved in the Club of Rome providing Paul Ehrlich with the scientific data in his bet with Julian Simon. Ehrlich lost the bet. Holdren’s behavior in this sorry episode with Soon and Baliunas is too true to form and shows the leopard never changes his spots,” Ball concludes.

Meanwhile, even with an AWOL mainstream media, the Climategate snakes continue to slither out from under the rocks.

Source: Canada Free Press.com, November 24, 2009

By: Dr. Tim Ball and Judi McLeod
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1. Barbara Boxer emerging as Senate’s new Al Gore
2. US being hoodwinked into draconian climate policies
3. Environment Canada’s Climate Change Fiasco
4. Climate change moral failings are cowardice and ignorance, not inaction
5. Climate Extremism: the Real Threat to Civilization
6. Climate rhetoric does not justify bad policy
7. McGuinty Plans to close coal stations misguided
8. PM’s summit speech shows Parliamentarians have come full circle on climate change rhetoric
9. Climate hysteria now invading our homes and businesses
10. New findings indicate today’s greenhouse gas levels not unusual
11. New U.N. greenhouse gas report should be viewed with skepticism
12. David Suzuki’s report to Parliament on his”If YOU were Prime Minister” tour excludes inconvenient input
13. Is classroom Global Warming preaching indoctrinating the next generation?
14. NRSP Calls on Senate to block Passage of Kyoto Implementation Bill
15. Cutting through the climate jargon
16. Global Warming: The Cold, Hard Facts?
17. Auditor General right to remove Environment Commissioner
18. NRSP cautions against relying on February 2 UN climate report
19. Asking the right questions about climate change
20. Expressing doubt about climate catastrophea risky venture
21. The gods must be laughing
22. A sample of experts’ comments about the science of “An Inconvenient Truth”
23. NRSP Applauds NSERC Appointment
24. Environment Commissioner should stick to auditing
25. Scientists respond to Gore’s warnings of climate catastrophe
26. Climate change policy in Canada: are the scientific assumptions sound?

PLEASE NOTE: The scum dressed up as ‘scientists’ aren’t denying the emails were theirs. Instead they turn to the mother of all spinners aka Bush and Blair Corporation, and let them loose on the hackers. The BBC is posting this shattering information for the sole purpose of demonising free interent use.

The e-mail system of one of the world’s leading climate research units has been breached by hackers.

E-mails reportedly from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit (CRU), including personal exchanges, appeared on the internet on Thursday.

A university spokesman confirmed the email system had been hacked and that information was taken and published without permission.

An investigation was underway and the police had been informed, he added.

“We are aware that information from a server used for research information in one area of the university has been made available on public websites,” the spokesman stated.

“Because of the volume of this information we cannot currently confirm that all of this material is genuine.

“This information has been obtained and published without our permission and we took immediate action to remove the server in question from operation.

“We are undertaking a thorough internal investigation and we have involved the police in this enquiry.”

Researchers at CRU, one of the world’s leading research bodies on natural and human-induced climate change, played a key role in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) Fourth Assessment Report, which is considered to be the most authoritative report of its kind.

‘Inside information’

Graham Cluley, a computer security expert, suggested that December’s key climate summit in Copenhagen, which has made headlines around the world, could have increased the university’s profile as a possible target among hackers.

“There are passionate opinions on both sides of the climate debate and there will be people trying to knock down the other side,” Mr Cluley, senior technology consultant for Sophos, told BBC News.

“If they feel that they can gather inside information on what the other side is up to, then they may feel that is ammunition for their counterargument.”

Mr Cluley added that universities were vulnerable to attacks by hackers because so many people required access to IT systems.

“You do need proper security in place; you need to be careful regarding communications and make sure your systems are secure.

“I trust that they will now be looking at the systems, and investigating how this happened and ensuring that something like this does not happen again.”

Pawnbroker Paul Aitken poses with six Rolex watches, two Ferraris, a Porsche – and even an aeroplane – which have all been pawned during the recession.

Both Ferraris – F430 F1 paddle-shift models worth a total of £270,000 with a top speed of 198mph – were pawned by bankers who lost their jobs.

Credit crunched: The recession has caused even the super rich to turn to pawnbrokers like Paul Aitken, pictured, in an attempt to raise some cash

The £75,000 175mph Porsche 911 Carrera 4S was pawned by a property developer whose assets crashed, leaving him desperate for much-needed capital.

Aitken took possession of the aeroplane, a French-built two-seater Cap 10 aerobatic stunt plane worth £100,000, four months ago when its owner fell on hard times.

The Rolex watches are among more than 1,000 designer timepieces, worth a total of more than £1 million, which have been used as deposit for pawn loans.

Among them are a Breitling Crosswind diamond set worth £3,000, a £33,000 Lange & Sohne Flyback Datograph gents wristwatch in 18ct rose gold, and a £20,000 Patek Philippe 18ct gold gents wristwatch.

Yesterday Aitken, 37, managing director of online pawnbrokers http://www.borro.com, said: ‘We’ve seen the biggest economic crisis hit this country for years, and everyone is feeling the disastrous effects.

‘When someone rang us asking to pawn his Ferrari we thought he was joking.

‘This really shows how hard the recession has hit people – even those who are well-off have had to adjust their standard of living.

‘Last week a newly married man gave us his Rolex watch his wife bought him as a wedding present.

‘But he isn’t alone, as many wealthy businessmen are having to take extreme measures once they’ve realised they aren’t able to maintain their lavish lifestyles.

‘And that might mean giving up the keys of their Ferrari, Porsche or plane for some much-needed cash.’ 

While other businesses have struggled to make ends meet over the last two years, Oxford-based http://www.borro.com has seen a staggering increase in trade.

They have loaned money to everyone from struggling millionaires to Premiership footballers and postmen, all in need of a few quid.

The company, which is the world’s first online pawnbrokers, currently has more than £1m worth of supercars in storage.

They hang on to items for six months and then have the right to sell the item to cover their costs, returning any remaining money to the customer.

Aitken added: ‘Our average loan is over £1,000 versus £130 on the high street.

‘We are attracting a new type of customer to Pawnbroking. In the last ten weeks our loan book has doubled and this year we are up 1,700 per cent.

‘Our business works because it is a repeat business; nine out of 10 customers repay their loans and return when the need is there.

‘The industry as a whole has been working hard over the past number of years to improve its image and with credit becoming much harder to secure, people have been more open to this form of borrowing which in turn, is helping to reduce the stigma associated with pawnbroking.

‘That said a key factor in our success is that Borro.com offers a highly efficient, easy to access, and very discreet service which is attractive to those who do not like the idea of visiting a high street operator.’

Source: Daily Mail.co.uk, Nov 17 2009
By: Daily Mail Reporter

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Turning Medicare into an income redistribution program. Another day, another tax increase to finance the trillion-dollar health-care overhaul.

The latest schemes are leaking out of the Senate, where Majority Leader Harry Reid is scrambling to find enough money while not offending Big Labor. The Senate Finance bill imposes a 40% tax on expensive private health plans, many of which belong to union members as part of their negotiated contracts. So Mr. Reid wants to reduce this tax and is floating a new Medicare payroll tax surcharge as a substitute.

Just what an economy with 10.2% unemployment rate needs: Another tax on hiring.

The versions leaked so far would add as much as 0.5% on workers who earn more than $200,000. If assessed on both the worker and employer, this would increase the Medicare tax rate to 3.9% from 2.9% today. It would also create the first progressive payroll tax in American history, with wealthier workers paying a higher Medicare payroll tax rate than lower income workers.

Until 1993 the Medicare tax was capped— the Social Security tax still is capped at $106,800 this year—because Medicare was supposed to function like an insurance program. For example, the rich don’t pay more for auto insurance than the poor do. But Democrats lifted the cap with their 1993 tax increase, so the Medicare levy now amounts to a marginal rate tax on every new dollar of wage income. Mr. Reid’s payroll surtax would sever the link between the tax paid over a lifetime and the medical benefits received, officially making Medicare an income redistribution program.

In another trial balloon, Mr. Reid would impose the payroll tax on all income, not just wages and salaries. This means applying the tax to capital gains, dividends and other investment income. This would convert the Medicare levy into a de facto version of the income tax.

The tax on expensive health plans would at least provide some incentive to spend less on health care, which is what Democrats still pretend their “reform” is about. In reality, it has became nothing more than a vast scheme to redistribute income, as their mad tax-a-day scramble for revenue shows. If all of this damages job creation and the economy in the process, Democrats don’t seem to mind.

Source: Wall Street Journnal.com, Nov 15 2009

November 2009 Comment: This is one of those pictures that truly IS worth a thousand words…
But a few questions remain. Was this a “fall” of an accidental nature, or has it simply been beaten and pinned fair and square? Or perhaps more to the point, does it even REALLY WANT to get up again? Despite Timothy Geithner’s constant proclamations that a “strong dollar” is in our best interest, the prevailing policy seems to be not proactive in that regard but rather one of benign neglect — or rather intentional neglect insofar as the prevailing quantitative easing programs would indicate.

Ed Stein — main page, — Nov 13, 2009

Wired Magazine reports that Americas spy agencies want to read your blog posts, keep track of your Twitter updates — even check out your book reviews on Amazon. In-Q-Tel, the investment arm of the CIA and the wider intelligence community, is putting cash into Visible Technologies, a software firm that specializes in monitoring social media.

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Pandemic? What flu pandemic?
Your read that correctly. That’s about 5% of the death rate from seasonal flu – but that won’t stop them from pushing vaccines.
First we were told swine flu could kill 65,000 Britons. Now the death toll is unlikely to top 1,000

The 2009 swine flu pandemic may turn out to be the weakest in history. It is spreading more slowly than expected and the latest figures show a flattening, or even a dip, in new infections. It is mild in most people but severe in a few and, while it readily infects children, it appears to spare the elderly. With the vaccine being rolled out, its impact should be further curbed.

So far in the UK, 154 people have died from the virus, around half of whom were under 45. In addition, 1,431 were admitted to hospital with swine flu last week. But in comparison with previous pandemics – or even seasonal flu epidemics – this is a relatively low toll.

In July, shortly after the World Health Organisation declared the first flu pandemic for 40 years, Britain’s Chief Medical Officer, Sir Liam Donaldson, published a worst-case scenario suggesting the country should plan for up to 65,000 deaths. That planning assumption has since been revised downwards twice. In September the “worst case” was cut to 19,000 deaths, and in October it was cut again to 1,000 deaths. This compares with an average annual toll of 4,000 to 8,000 deaths from seasonal winter flu.

Previous pandemics have had higher death tolls. In 1918 Spanish H1N1 flu claimed an estimated 230,000 lives in Britain and up to 50 million worldwide. In 1957-58, Asian HN2 flu caused 1.5 to 2 million deaths worldwide and 33,000 in Britain. That was followed by Hong Kong H3N2 flu in 1968-69 which caused one million deaths worldwide of which 30,000 were in Britain. So far, 2009 “novel H1N1” flu has caused 6,394 deaths worldwide, of which 154 have been in the UK.

Doctors say the key difference with seasonal winter flu is that it does not normally kill the young. Swine flu is worst among the under-fives, whose hospitalisation rate is four times higher than in older age groups. Pregnant women are also vulnerable.

Doctors have also been dismayed by the unpredictable ferocity with which it attacks some people. The biggest concern is the number in critical care which has risen sharply in recent weeks. In England, of 848 patients in hospital on 4 November, 172 were in critical care.

Dr Steven Field, chairman of the Royal College of GPs, said: “I thought the original predictions for the number of deaths were incredibly high. Hospitals are coming under pressure but, because the care is so good, fewer people are dying.”

Dr Laurence Buckman, chairman of the British Medical Association’s GPs committee said: “The original government masterplan was for a maximum of 250,000 dead. But that was based on avian flu. It became clear that swine flu did not pose the same risk. Compared with those earlier assumptions it is looking pretty tame.”

The H1N1 swine flu virus that emerged in Mexico last April was the first novel flu virus seen for more than 40 years. But it has since become clear that H1N1 virus is not quite as novel as it appeared. Unlike seasonal flu, swine flu has spread much less among the over 60s, leading scientists to speculate that they have some immunity.

Flu viruses are, however, notoriously unpredictable. The 2009 H1N1 swine flu strain proved its capacity to surprise early on by triggering the first serious flu outbreak in summer in living memory last July, when cases peaked at over 110,000.

But it could yet hold more surpises in store. John McCauley, director of the World Influenza Centre at the National Institute of Medical Research in Mill Hill, north London, said: “Of the three pandemics in the last century it is nothing like 1918 Spanish flu and it may well be milder than 1957 Asian flu or 1968 Hong Kong flu. But it is too early to tell. In the pandemic of 1968-69 we had more illness in 1969.”

Professor John Oxford, a flu expert and director of Retroscreen Virology Ltd, said: “So far, this pandemic is the weakest. But the paradox is it could be worse next year. We cannot let up our guard.”

Professor Angus Nicoll, head of the influenza programme at the European Centre for Disease Control in Stockholm, said: “It is a potentially manageable pandemic but there will certainly be a number of deaths among younger people that we don’t normally see. For that reason I would be resistant to saying it is the weakest pandemic, especially if that were used as a reason not to be immunised.”

Flu deaths: the numbers

65,000

Number of deaths in worst-case scenario for Britain published in July

19,000

Revised worst-case scenario outlined in September

1,000

Revised worst-case scenario last month

154

Number of deaths in Britain so far

4-8,000

Average annual death toll in Britain from seasonal winter flu.

Source: Independent.co.uk, Nov 10 2009
By Jeremy Laurance

More Americans are bypassing banks and turning to Peer-to-Peer lending groups on the Internet. Such loans now total over $3 billion and are expected to double by next year.

With the credit crunch making it tough to get a loan and the recession hammering interest rates for investors, “peer-to-peer lending,” or “P2P,” is becoming increasingly popular. P2P
websites like Prosper and Lending Club link lenders lured by high interest rates with borrowers who need money for everything from home repairs to college tuition to debt consolidation.

P2P lending sites were forced to close briefly in 2008 when a new rule required them to
register with the Securities and Exchange Commission. But most are back in business now–and thriving. There were $647 million in P2P loans in 2007. That’s grown to $3 billion and is expected to nearly double to $5.8 billion next year, according to Celent, a consulting firm that tracks P2Ps.

Recent problems in the financial system have contributed to that growth. Despite the bailout
funds big banks have received and the profits they’ve recorded, “the money’s not getting into the street,” says Chris Larsen, CEO of Prosper. As a result, people who need loans are looking for alternatives. Adds Larsen: “I think Americans are going to have to start participating more
directly in the credit system,” by making loans to one another through P2P sites instead of relying on banks.

The average investor at Prosper makes $3500 in loans and earns 9.38% interest. But with
greater profit comes greater risk. While the site has taken steps to make loans safer for investors–including raising the minimum credit score required to borrow–some loans will default.

Experts urge potential investors to approach P2P with caution, diversifying their portfolios into
many small loans to minimize default risk.

While P2P lending is growing quickly, the service “still is proving itself,” says Mark Schwanhausser, an analyst at Javelin Strategy and Research. Right now, he adds, more people are interested in borrowing with P2P than investing.

Source: Parade.com, November 08, 2009

Lawsuit highlights employer limits in fighting flu

The Service Employees International Union Local 1107 is suing the operators of Sunrise Hospital and Southern Hills Hospital and Medical Center, claiming the hospitals’ H1N1 vaccination policies are a violation of its collective bargaining agreement. But the lawsuit may only be the start of litigation over how far employers can go in the name of disease prevention.

The federal complaint filed Oct. 29 named Sunrise and Southern Hills’ parent Healthcare Corporation of America, and seeks an injunction until an arbitration hearing can be held. At issue is the new policy of the HCA hospitals to require employees to get the seasonal flu shot.

The H1N1 vaccine was also initially mandated, but that requirement was later dropped due to the shortage of the vaccine, Local 1107 union spokeswoman Amber Lopez-Lasater said. The union is also making a pre-emptive strike against any forced H1N1 vaccination policy in its lawsuit.

“We think it should be an individual decision made by the trained health care providers,” she said.

HCA’s refusal to meet and negotiate with union representatives sparked the lawsuit, added Lopez-Lasater. She claims such a meeting is required under the collective bargaining agreement.

Under the new policy, if an employee refuses to be vaccinated for the seasonal flu, they are required to wear masks and badge markers indicating they had not received the flu vaccine. Hospital workers may face discipline up to termination for refusing to do either, according to the federal complaint.

Sunrise and Southern Hills Hospital spokesman Dan Davidson confirmed the regular flu shots are mandatory for the hospitals’ health care providers, and those who refuse vaccinations must wear masks. HCA also operates Sunrise Children’s Hospital.

“This is all part of our comprehensive infection control program and about protecting our patients,” he said in a statement. “It is the flu season and the president (of the United States) has declared the pandemic a national emergency.”

About 90 percent of the hospitals’ staff members have already opted for a flu shot, Davidson said.

He defended HCA’s actions.

“We are on the front lines of patient care and during the emergent times we must take swift actions to ensure we can take care of our patients.”

The protection afforded hospital patients by the masks may not be as much as it seems, Lopez-Lasater countered.

“The proper masks aren’t available, and OSHA has said the N95 respirator masks are the ones needed to protect the people,” she said.

The Southern Nevada Health District does not recommend the wearing of face masks for unvaccinated health care workers, except under certain circumstances, such as a tracheostomy procedure. That operation would require a N95 respirator mask, said Dr. John Middaugh, the district’s director of community health.

The health district’s recommendations on flu prevention guidelines mirror those of the Center of the Disease Control in Atlanta.

“Flu vaccination recommendations have been standard for many years,” he said. “For the new H1N1 vaccine, the recommendation was made when we thought it would be more plentiful.”

That H1N1 vaccination recommendation has since been rescinded due to the shortage of the vaccine. So far, the health district has received between 30,000 to 40,000 doses of the H1N1 vaccine, with local physicians and hospitals getting another 35,000 to 45,000 doses, Middaugh said.

“The manufacturer of the vaccine is considerably behind,” he added. The shortage has limited the H1N1’s availability to the vaccine to the highest risk groups. Those include health and child care providers, pregnant women, and caregivers for infants.

The emergency state declared by President Barack Obama and the shortage of H1N1 vaccine have left many employers gripped by fear of a deadly local outbreak. They may choose workplace and customer safety first, and worry about the legal implications later, some attorneys said.

“In general matters, employers have both the right and obligation to maintain a safe work environment,” said Jeff Winchester, a labor lawyer with Fisher & Phillips.

Employers can send sick workers home, without running afoul of either the Americans with Disabilities Act or the Family and Medical Leave Act. Winchester also advises employers to not discipline employees for calling in sick, and to provide paid sick time whenever possible.

As for the lawsuit against HCA, Winchester surmised it will come down to the details of the collective bargaining agreement, and whether the document gives the hospital the right to enact workplace safety policies.

However, forced vaccinations can be tricky, even among health-care workers, he said.

Contact reporter Valerie Miller at vmiller@lvbusinesspress.com or 702-387-5286.

Source: Las Vegas Business Press.com, Nov 12 2009
BY VALERIE MILLER